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Ah. This article is highly opinionated, poorly sourced, and non-neutral. Does that concern anyone here.(Blue Horse 14:20, 27 April 2009 (GMT))

You are so right Blue Horse. But don't worry, people who actually practice TM realize its profound benefits, and those who do not practice it don't know what they are missing, as the taste of an orange cannot be had unless one eats the orange. Until then, there will always be speculation about this and that.

The description was provided by the source. If any statements are incorrect, please feel free to leave a more verbose comment here. Your statement above makes claims, but does not give facts. Wikileaks

Adding this kind of comment, and there are many like it, to a quote from the document is opinion: "TM and related products are always offered as a panacea to solve any and all problems, much like the basic claims of most religious cults." I could go on, but I have to ask what is the purpose of this site. If its for accurate information then opinion cannot be part of the article. If however opinion is what you want or need then you have it. (Blue Horse 14:44, 27 April 2009 (GMT))

What you are criticizing is the description of the source that came with the document. There is no reason why we should censor this comment as it is important in context to the document. It is clearly a subjective comment expressed by the source of the material, and as such, is important to be available in full for the context of the document. What you are looking at is not an article but a leak descriptor. Wikileaks

Its a subjective, highly biased opinion and that's not accurate information in any way...You can call it anything you want but its not real information, and seeing this article and how its written I have to ask myself if I would trust any other information you are "leaking". You removed the comment of the other editor who commented here, unless I'm missing something. Why? It appears the article is locked. How does that support objective editing. If you really want objective information allow editors to edit and source their material. But hey, its your site. Its just not trusted information in my opinion, is all.(Blue Horse 16:25, 27 April 2009 (GMT))

Blue Horse, it is a description provided by the source. Make of it what you want. It is part of the leak and therefore belongs there. It is not the document and marked as information supplied by the source. You are free to write a summary of the document, unbiased as those are supposed to be and we will be happy to add it if fulfilling editorial standards. Wikileaks

Ok. Yes I see what you are saying ...Guess I'm not sure of the value of a leaked document that comes in full of one individual's subjective opinion. Seems very non-neutral and intentionally deceptive. Sorry for the misunderstanding.(Blue Horse 21:27, 27 April 2009 (GMT))

According to your guidelines: "But we push no agenda except that of truth and exposing corrupt power; and we do so on the basis of revealed fact." "Providing references is good scholarship, good science, good analysis, good reporting, and good practice." "The best conclusion is one arrived at by consensus, a neutral point of view." Why then have you locked out this leak descriptor from editing? Why have you removed my previous comment demonstrating bias, unsourced, misleading remarks in the leak descriptor? Why does the leak descriptor not have any references or reliable sources? Why does it not reference the leaked document? And who are you Mr. Wikileaks? You appear to be a site administrator. Why is an administrator blocking this discussion and the editing of this descriptor? Where is the group consensus, references, good science and neutrality that you speak of in your guidelines? ----CrazyEddie 17:21, 27 April 2009

Hi Eddie. The leak descriptor is not to be edited. It provides static information, such as the information that the source has delivered with the document. I do not see why we would want anyone to edit the information supplied by the source as you were trying to. The document is in full available on the leak descriptor page. Just click on:

DOWNLOAD/VIEW FULL FILE FROM

fast site, current site, Sweden, US, Latvia, Slovakia, UK, Finland, Netherlands, Poland, Tonga, Europe, SSL, Tor

one of the links and you will get the PDF. Wikileaks

Thanks Wikileaks for your explanation and patience. I am new to this site and still learning your procedures. I recently found this in your procedural guidelines: "Description (as provided by the original submitter) - The description presents information submitted directly from the source. This is part of what the leak submission asks for provided as a context for Wikileaks and its readers. In an ideal case the following information was submitted and is added here. Practically there also might be more, less and/or different information here provided by the source. The information provided is not edited and is fully original to the source." I don't agree with the procedure, because it creates an open mike for biased, unbalanced opinions, but that is OK, at least now I know the ground rules. ONe suggestion is that you might want to remove the edit tab from such descriptors so other visitors don't make the same mistake as I did. Peace! --CrazyEddie 18:26, 28 April 2009 (GMT)

Hi Wikileaks, I would be interested in submitting my own Summary of the leaked document in question as you have mentioned above to Blue Horse. What is the procedure for that? Paste here? Review by Wikileaks board? Once approved where would it appear? Thanks again for your help. --CrazyEddie 18:26, 28 April 2009 (GMT)

"Reflections" on Governor Recertification Course Overview of Policies and Procedures

These folks aren't like that OTHER pseudo-religion we've seen a lot of stuff from. Yes, this is a bunch of New Age psychobabble, and Hindu-Buddhist dharma drama, but these folks differ from most cults in that they aren't based on a totalitarian cult of personality (with a side order of paranoid schizophrenia) but upon Eastern mental disciplines, like meditation, and massage, mixed with a generous helping of midlife crisis and Boomer ennui.

They're all quite reasonable. Until they start talking about astral projection, yogic flying, and such. But how is that different than a devout Christian talking about Jesus rising from the dead, or speaking in tongues, or casting out the devil? It isn't. You have the in-moiety language...whether you're talking about transubstantiation or "governors"...but they seem altruistic enough, to a certain degree.

The not-so-hidden $$$ motive (do you profit through prophets, or prophet through profits?) might either be an acknowledgement of how religion really works (I mean, indulgences, come on people), a really tacky way of trying to relate to Americans thought up by some foreign Guru who only knows America is the land of Capitalism (unlikely, this is probably thought up by some Haight-Ashbury Guru who thinks outside San Francisco City Limits is the Land of Capitalism), or some bizarre attempt to cross Amway/MLM/chic "therapeutic day spas" with the Therevada School of Buddhism. Still, they'll likely end up with lots of hot college-age women as masseuses. I wonder if they actually believe in the Thirty Six Fold Path, like the part about casting out lust? We'll see if they're more successful than the Church was, back in the day (or even today).

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, I methinks. Not that I'd join and venture to the Boddhi tree; as such, I guess I'm certain to be reincarnated as a worm. No great loss.1.0.22.53 03:38, 28 April 2009 (GMT)

Proposed Document Summary

Transcendental Meditation Governor Recertification Course Overview of Policies and Procedures—May, 2005

--Summary:

For more than 30 years Transcendental Meditation has been taught not only to the general public but on a voluntary basis in institutional settings such as prisons and schools. In 1977 a New Jersey court ruled that a state funded, Science of Creative Intelligence curriculum, that included Transcendental Meditation, was an unconstitutional entanglement of the government with religion in part because the concept of a universal ‘Creative Intelligence’ was considered a religious teaching. (Malnak v. Yogi, 592 F2d 197, 1979). ^[1]

By removing the Science of Creative Intelligence curriculum and using private instead of public funds, the TM organization has continued to provide Transcendental Meditation as part of a ‘quiet time’ in some private, charter and public schools, and as a rehabilitation program in selected prisons. Due to the unique nature of the puja ceremony performed by the TM teacher at the time of TM instruction, some critics suggest that the ceremony is religious in nature (Bainbridge; The Sociology of Religious Movements, p188), others describe it as spiritual (Stephen Hunt; Alternative Religions, p198), while still others say that TM and the puja ceremony are free of religious elements (George Chryssides; Exploring New Religions, p303).

This confidential, fourteen page document contains inside information on the administrative policies and procedures for the promotion of Transcendental Meditation and its related products and services specifically in reference to the “start up of Peace Palaces” at the time of its publication in “May, 2005”. However, the initial paragraph on the first page states: “This document is not an official Movement operations manual” and although the document appears to be genuine, its authenticity has yet to be confirmed.

The introduction (page 1) refers to TM teachers as “Center Leaders” or “Governors” who “will be the Peace Government”. Other unique and ideological phrases include: “Divine Intelligence”, “Total Knowledge” and “Constitution of the Universe”.

Section 1 “Personal Practice of TM and TM-Sidhi Program” describes the preferred attitude and daily routine for the “Governors” including purity, simplicity and a “three hour program morning and evening” which we assume consists of meditation and yoga postures.

Section 2 “Teaching of Transcendental Meditation and Advanced Programs” gives guidelines for teaching procedures including gender specific policies for TM courses and “checking” of the meditation practice.

Section 3 “Administration and Finance” deals with policies on personnel, accounting procedures, legal concerns, salaries and fund raising through the sale of “World Peace Bonds”.

Sections 4 through 7 appear to be a sort of business plan with detailed start up and operating procedures regarding the promotion and development of various money making endeavors including ayurvedic day spas, ayurvedic herbal product sales, Vedic organic agriculture, Vedic architecture etc. These ventures are to take place in locations called “Maharishi Enlightenment Centers” or “Peace Palaces” in various cities throughout New England. --CrazyEddie 02:05, 29 April 2009 (GMT)

Apologies. Didn't log in. Minor edits above are mine.(Blue Horse 02:56, 29 April 2009 (GMT))